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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 08, 2012 04:56 PM
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Love can grow from lust, study says... http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/05/12531143-first-comes-sex-then-comes-marriage-love-can-grow-from-lust-study-says
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 08, 2012 11:51 PM
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Love can grow from lust, study says... http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/05/12531143-first-comes-sex-then-comes-marriage-love-can-grow-from-lust-study-says
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Oh really? Never would have guessed.
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 09, 2012 11:57 AM
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Oh really? Never would have guessed.
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...Not everyone can be a RudeMcP, ya kno'?!?   
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 09, 2012 02:35 PM
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It is inline with the agenda of those publishing this stuff... It is not the way to best way to form a long term committed relationship... but then they couldn't redefine the term marriage so now they want to assert that a child can have more than 2 parents - to keep up with "the times"
So, suze has sex with billy and have baby sammy 2 parents so far... they never got married and broke up... each married - 4 parents - and divorced this traditional marriage so 4 so far...but Suze next married a practicing Mormon - and was the 4th wife - that would be 8 parents... Sammy became a Muslim and had 4 wives of his own - now we are up to 12... and those 2 tradionional spouse parents... see how stupid this line of thought gets
--- Sure sex b4 marriage is a nice thing(I would not attempt to place a moral judgment on people - like you can't - most people are taught or have knowledge of the consequences and are responsible for their own actions - but look at the logic in that article..)... babies happen - but responsibility is best planned for... or our world gets as absurd as their "feel good" agenda logically plays out...
The logic here, that sex before marriage is a good thing... in a world with abortion as birth control and no guilt nor responsibility -it might be ok for self-involved(we call them - the "me" generation)people emotionally... but those of us - who care about these "things" - the kids we "parent" also care about family and commitment - none of which is easy... but thought about from the beginning - yes divorces happen decisions must be made - not easily... Life should never get this carefree.. or what have we become...???...
the article was terrible -imo-(and loaded with cookies I had to reject) even some animals mate for life - a quality -"My generation" still see's as honorable -- but with teaching like from this "study" how long will there be such honor????
With statements like - Love is a drug - an addiction you suffer withdrawal from... so love is bad and you need rehab - you are a victim of your emotions - the "little brain" --- do you see where this logic is going... not a good place...
Oh and btw - with the "multiple parent" logic -- it also applies to "child-support"..... surprise - the Government loves to collect money to control & spend with - careful with these "feel good" logical arguments - so far they have proven to be more bad than good - imo ;-}
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 11, 2012 12:25 PM
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i love you and lust you queen so lets get married now.
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 12, 2012 01:15 AM
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i love you and lust you queen so lets get married now.
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Itz pussible, itz pussible?!?...
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 12, 2012 01:16 AM
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It is inline with the agenda of those publishing this stuff... It is not the way to best way to form a long term committed relationship... but then they couldn't redefine the term marriage so now they want to assert that a child can have more than 2 parents - to keep up with "the times"
So, suze has sex with billy and have baby sammy 2 parents so far... they never got married and broke up... each married - 4 parents - and divorced this traditional marriage so 4 so far...but Suze next married a practicing Mormon - and was the 4th wife - that would be 8 parents... Sammy became a Muslim and had 4 wives of his own - now we are up to 12... and those 2 tradionional spouse parents... see how stupid this line of thought gets
--- Sure sex b4 marriage is a nice thing(I would not attempt to place a moral judgment on people - like you can't - most people are taught or have knowledge of the consequences and are responsible for their own actions - but look at the logic in that article..)... babies happen - but responsibility is best planned for... or our world gets as absurd as their "feel good" agenda logically plays out...
The logic here, that sex before marriage is a good thing... in a world with abortion as birth control and no guilt nor responsibility -it might be ok for self-involved(we call them - the "me" generation)people emotionally... but those of us - who care about these "things" - the kids we "parent" also care about family and commitment - none of which is easy... but thought about from the beginning - yes divorces happen decisions must be made - not easily... Life should never get this carefree.. or what have we become...???...
the article was terrible -imo-(and loaded with cookies I had to reject) even some animals mate for life - a quality -"My generation" still see's as honorable -- but with teaching like from this "study" how long will there be such honor????
With statements like - Love is a drug - an addiction you suffer withdrawal from... so love is bad and you need rehab - you are a victim of your emotions - the "little brain" --- do you see where this logic is going... not a good place...
Oh and btw - with the "multiple parent" logic -- it also applies to "child-support"..... surprise - the Government loves to collect money to control & spend with - careful with these "feel good" logical arguments - so far they have proven to be more bad than good - imo ;-}
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Ya know I'm comin' 4 ya Watchit... I needz my rest 1st!!! LOL
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 12, 2012 02:16 PM
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It is inline with the agenda of those publishing this stuff... It is not the way to best way to form a long term committed relationship... but then they couldn't redefine the term marriage so now they want to assert that a child can have more than 2 parents - to keep up with "the times"
QD: "Marriage" has always had many forms based on region, religion, culture, etc. No one can truly define the term for everyone... They aren't asserting anything, as this reality has been around for quite some time. Not all groups or individuals define marriage and parenting as the same nor should they. Much of what you are attempting to define as "traditional marriage" is from a perspective that denies the other histories, cultures, religions, and peoples of this society and on this planet.
So, suze has sex with billy and have baby sammy 2 parents so far... they never got married and broke up... each married - 4 parents - and divorced this traditional marriage so 4 so far...but Suze next married a practicing Mormon - and was the 4th wife - that would be 8 parents... Sammy became a Muslim and had 4 wives of his own - now we are up to 12... and those 2 tradionional spouse parents... see how stupid this line of thought gets
QD: As humorous as your analogy may be, it is not logic or even factual. Most interbreeding comes from people within a similar grouping of religion, lifestyle, ethnicity, etc. It's not steadfast, but generally speaking, Suze and Sammy could have created such family circles without the Muslims or the Mormons... LOL
We can actually take these marital factions back to the days of conquistadors, pilgrims, pioneers, and even slavers, many of whom created children and families that were not inline with their "traditional marriages", but yet pushed their "idea" of marriage on others, whilst they did something else altogether different.
--- Sure sex b4 marriage is a nice thing(I would not attempt to place a moral judgment on people - like you can't - most people are taught or have knowledge of the consequences and are responsible for their own actions - but look at the logic in that article..)... babies happen - but responsibility is best planned for... or our world gets as absurd as their "feel good" agenda logically plays out...
QD: The fact is we are on a site that is just as promotional of the ideas of "hook up" and "feel good" without any real sense of responsibility, as you accuse the article. We don't actually advertise chasity, prudence, and Planned Parenthood... LOL Technically, we as a much of a part of this "absurdity" that you speak of, as the article.
The logic here, that sex before marriage is a good thing... in a world with abortion as birth control and no guilt nor responsibility -it might be ok for self-involved(we call them - the "me" generation)people emotionally... but those of us - who care about these "things" - the kids we "parent" also care about family and commitment - none of which is easy... but thought about from the beginning - yes divorces happen decisions must be made - not easily... Life should never get this carefree.. or what have we become...???...
QD: For a man who isn't about welfare and societal support, don't you think that abortion isn't necessarily "birth control", but an answer to those who don't want their hard earned dollars to go out to bastard babies and their irresponsible mothers? Is "guilt" a religious thing or has it become a political thing, as well? If you believe in "traditional marriage", how can you so easily succumb to the idea of "divorce", which is considered as much of a "taboo/guilt trip" as abortion? I have little reason to believe that life or people are as "carefree" as you would propose. We reflect on antiquity, but we are hardly trying to live or marry as antiquity, at least not in the westernized countries.
the article was terrible -imo-(and loaded with cookies I had to reject) even some animals mate for life - a quality -"My generation" still see's as honorable -- but with teaching like from this "study" how long will there be such honor????
QD: Are we animals or humans? Some animals eat the heads of their mates. Should we live like them or is that what divorce is really all about? You meet, you mate, you eat the head of your mate, and raise the offspring off the dead carcass?!? LOL I had no problems with cookies, but I do reject many of your notions. What is your generation, I might ask? I hardly see the article as "teaching", as much as, it was investigating, researching, merely reporting. I saw no where that it was some sort of dogma or final word about love, sex, marriage? It created a discussion, which is something sorely needed concerning the aforementioned topics.
With statements like - Love is a drug - an addiction you suffer withdrawal from... so love is bad and you need rehab - you are a victim of your emotions - the "little brain" --- do you see where this logic is going... not a good place...
QD: For many "love" is a drug, particularly since there is a biochemical attribute to this thing called "love". Love isn't bad, but like anything, it can be abused. Many people are a victim/slave to their emotions and passions, that is not a theory, but a historical fact about the human condition. Many are controlled by the "little brain", as religion, history, and even literature can point out... Some people have better control than others.
Oh and btw - with the "multiple parent" logic -- it also applies to "child-support"..... surprise - the Government loves to collect money to control & spend with - careful with these "feel good" logical arguments - so far they have proven to be more bad than good - imo ;-}
QD: Considering what you have been saying, should we, as members of an adult community/porn site, be held no less guilty than the government for collecting monies, profiting from, and propogating the "feel good/lack of responsibility" scenario that you are so against? Shouldn't social networking, porn sites, and their participants be held accountable for the decisions and behaviors of others? In your words, "so far they have proven to be more bad than good"? iyo
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 13, 2012 10:22 AM
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..QD: Considering what you have been saying, should we, as members of an adult community/porn site, be held no less guilty than the government for collecting monies, profiting from, and propogating the "feel good/lack of responsibility" scenario that you are so against? Shouldn't social networking, porn sites, and their participants be held accountable for the decisions and behaviors of others? In your words, "so far they have proven to be more bad than good"? iyo
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I did not say that at all... what I said was - simply this "scientific study" has an agenda...
I was addressing the Common logic from their position and "finding" and showing its harmfulness... not helpfulness...
I infact made a point of not making a moral judgement as your response claims my evaluation forms some "guilt" factor - that we as responsible adults in an Adult community choose to express or participate in - something we are free to choose for ourselves -- at the present time...
My point would not be as you say... but that given this "scientific method" of finding things that turn us into victims of ourselves - we no longer would be judged "capable" to make these decisions for ourselves and need the guidence of these "learned" individuals to help us help ourselves...
That really was my criticism of this line of "thought"... supported bt the garbage science and propagated by this agenda driven media outlet...
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 13, 2012 07:22 PM
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I did not say that at all... what I said was - simply this "scientific study" has an agenda...
I was addressing the Common logic from their position and "finding" and showing its harmfulness... not helpfulness...
I infact made a point of not making a moral judgement as your response claims my evaluation forms some "guilt" factor - that we as responsible adults in an Adult community choose to express or participate in - something we are free to choose for ourselves -- at the present time...
My point would not be as you say... but that given this "scientific method" of finding things that turn us into victims of ourselves - we no longer would be judged "capable" to make these decisions for ourselves and need the guidence of these "learned" individuals to help us help ourselves...
That really was my criticism of this line of "thought"... supported bt the garbage science and propagated by this agenda driven media outlet...
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All studies have an agenda... I do not share your perspective and would respectfully say that we shall agree to disagree. I do thank you for your part within the discussion and will continue to look forward to exchanging with you again. imo
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 14, 2012 12:15 AM
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Queen I always enjoy the exchange of thoughts - we may not agree and it might get spicy at times - but it's always thought provoking and interesting to get into... agreeing to disagree is always a possible outcome - but even so we learn a bit from it ;-}} Studies may have agenda at times - but they all do have a hypothesis(there is a big difference between an agenda and a hypothesis) - and that is why it is critical to research the research for validity - the "agenda" should be to adequately confirm or fail to confirm the hypothesis... keyword being - adequately - imo ;-}
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 15, 2012 10:31 AM
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Queen I always enjoy the exchange of thoughts - we may not agree and it might get spicy at times - but it's always thought provoking and interesting to get into... agreeing to disagree is always a possible outcome - but even so we learn a bit from it ;-}} Studies may have agenda at times - but they all do have a hypothesis(there is a big difference between an agenda and a hypothesis) - and that is why it is critical to research the research for validity - the "agenda" should be to adequately confirm or fail to confirm the hypothesis... keyword being - adequately - imo ;-}
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No arguement here Watchit... It is my agenda to discuss various matters, in an open forum, with whomever, for the sake of adequately validating the thoughts and opinions of fellow members regarding popular topics, in contrast to the research and opinions of the articles that I post. Hypothetically speaking, I believe everyone has something valid to say... imo 
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 15, 2012 10:43 AM
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Now that's a valid viewpoint and I'll confirm that viewpoint with my application of research ideology ;-} Glad you propagate it on a worthy forum like RUDE ;-}} maybe more will express their opinions too ;-}}
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| Queenz Responz - Submitted: Jul 15, 2012 10:49 AM
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Now that's a valid viewpoint and I'll confirm that viewpoint with my application of research ideology ;-} Glad you propagate it on a worthy forum like RUDE ;-}} maybe more will express their opinions too ;-}}
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This would be greatly appreciated, as I know that there are many well informed and opinionated persons within the depths of Rude.com!?!
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| First comes sex, then comes marriage? - Submitted: Jul 20, 2012 03:43 PM
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